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    Hokehe Effiong
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      I am caring for a 2-year-old boy with autism, his OAT showed high HPHPA-557, aspergillosis- 27, Arabinose- 36, glyceric- 16, oxalic- 274, malic- 5.4, 3 hydroxybutyric- 753, acetoacetic- 577, vitamin B2- 3.1, Vitamin C- 1.2, 2 hydroxybutyric- 5.7, 4 hydroxybutyric- 5.1.
      Stool test: 4+ proteus and 3+ pseudomonas aeruginosa, no lactobacillus in stool.
      Mycotoxins: Citrin- 178, mycophenolic acid- 223.

      Initially He was on probiotics, given away from the biocidin, b complex, magnesium and calcium, fish oil and spectrum mate from NBUS. When he first started the Biocidin, initially, he had fever x 3 days and then subsided, also advised mom to add in olive leaf extract and oreganol. mom just updated me that 3 weeks later, he is still bloated and is now stimming and more hyper than he used to be, is this normal? what else do I need to do? do I need to take anything away?

      Thank you for your help.

      #1739
      DrWoeller
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        This child’s HPHPA is very high. It’s complicated by the gut colonization of aspergillus, and candida overgrowth and mucosal invasiveness (high arabinose). One of the roadblocks to getting things improved in the digestive system is constipation. So, if this child is constipated, the introducing some laxative therapy can be helpful. This may require the parent to do periodic child’s enema or suppository.

        I like the addition of the oregano and olive leaf extract, and along with Biocidin should help with the HPHPA. If this were my patient, right now I would cut out the fish oil primarily because there may be some fat maldigestion problems doing on. From NBNUS, I would add the following:

        • GI Detox – https://www.nbnus.net/products/606-gi-detox-60-caps/ – one capsule twice daily after from supplements by at least 90 minutes. This helps to bind up microbial compounds that generate gas and bloating.
        • Intesti-mate – https://www.nbnus.net/products/541-intesti-mate-703-oz/ – ¼ scoop twice daily. Could use along with GI Detox for ease of dosing.

        I am not sure how long you have been treating for gut microbes, but if longer than 6 weeks, I would repeat a microbial organic acids test (mOAT) to recheck the HPHPA.

        In this case, I would be tempted to try a small amount of Nystatin (100,000 units) three times daily to try and bring the candida down some. This too can help with bloating.

        Dr. Woeller

        #1740
        DrWoeller
        Keymaster

          This child’s HPHPA is very high. It’s complicated by the gut colonization of aspergillus, and candida overgrowth and mucosal invasiveness (high arabinose). One of the roadblocks to getting things improved in the digestive system is constipation. So, if this child is constipated, the introducing some laxative therapy can be helpful. This may require the parent to do periodic child’s enema or suppository.

          I like the addition of the oregano and olive leaf extract, and along with Biocidin should help with the HPHPA. If this were my patient, right now I would cut out the fish oil primarily because there may be some fat maldigestion problems doing on. From NBNUS, I would add the following:

          • GI Detox – https://www.nbnus.net/products/606-gi-detox-60-caps/ – one capsule twice daily after from supplements by at least 90 minutes. This helps to bind up microbial compounds that generate gas and bloating.
          • Intesti-mate – https://www.nbnus.net/products/541-intesti-mate-703-oz/ – ¼ scoop twice daily. Could use along with GI Detox for ease of dosing.

          I am not sure how long you have been treating for gut microbes, but if longer than 6 weeks, I would repeat a microbial organic acids test (mOAT) to recheck the HPHPA.

          In this case, I would be tempted to try a small amount of Nystatin (100,000 units) three times daily to try and bring the candida down some. This too can help with bloating.

          Dr. Woeller

          #1741
          Hokehe Effiong
          Participant

            Thank you Dr. Woeller,
            your response is very helpful. It’s been about 4 weeks with treatment of gut microbes, Ill repeat OAT in 2 weeks.
            For a med like nystatin thats typically prescribed, how would you handle it for an overseas patient? he is in the UK.
            If the repeat MOAT comes back with elevated HPHPA, how much longer would i continue biocidin, oreganol and olive leaf extract?

            #1742
            DrWoeller
            Keymaster

              1) Yes on the repeat of the OAT
              2) If you are comfortable doing that for them, I would personally the Rx to Hopewell Pharmacy in New Jersey – https://hopewellrx.com or Wellness Pharmacy in Alabama – http://wellnesspharmacy.com. They both ship internationally.
              3) I believe you just recently added in the Oreganol and Olive Leaf extract if I am not mistaken? If it is still high, then I would personally continue all for another 6 weeks, and add a spore-based probiotic such as CoreBiotic from Researched Nutritonals. New Beginnings Nutritionals – https://nbnus.com carries. Two nightly before bed.

              Dr. Woeller

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